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  • Fake ID?

    I know this might have been answered but I am looking for some clarity.

    What would be a department's policy if an applicant owned a fake ID in their first year of college, never got caught with it and used it only twice to get into bars with older friends, and destroyed it after a few months?

    Would it be wise to disclose this information? I understand it is a felony, and for good reason, but I have been curious about this.

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    What a dilemma! If you disclose it, many places won't hire you because you committed a felony (even though you didn't get caught). If you don't disclose it, any agency that hires you will fire you if they ever find out you lied on your application.
    YOU think through how you believe hiring agencies would respond. Some would give you a chance now, because you have hopefully matured and will be a responsible officer. How many do you think would keep you on if they ever found out that you lied on your application?
    The fact that you have to ask the question makes me wonder if you are ready for a LE career.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Retired Chief View Post
      If you disclose it, many places won't hire you because you committed a felony (even though you didn't get caught). If you don't disclose it, any agency that hires you will fire you if they ever
      Not a felony in MO....

      And yes, 20 some years ago....I had a fake ID and it's never hurt me. I used a buddies brother's ID to buy booze and drink in Iowa.....then later back in MO when my ID turned 21....

      Just be honest if it comes up..... You lie, you will get zapped in the poly....and that will be that.

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      • Originally posted by Retired Chief View Post
        What a dilemma! If you disclose it, many places won't hire you because you committed a felony (even though you didn't get caught). If you don't disclose it, any agency that hires you will fire you if they ever find out you lied on your application.
        YOU think through how you believe hiring agencies would respond. Some would give you a chance now, because you have hopefully matured and will be a responsible officer. How many do you think would keep you on if they ever found out that you lied on your application?
        The fact that you have to ask the question makes me wonder if you are ready for a LE career.
        Well, first off I have never done drugs or even gotten a speeding ticket. I don’t condone the action nor do I believe it was a smart choice. If asked I would never lie about it but I was wondering if this information would be an automatic DQ.

        Second, I feel that everyone makes stupid choices. Like Bearcat357 said I won’t lie about it. It was a stupid choice to use someone else’s ID and I understand that actions have consequences but my actions, apart from this one indiscretion, have consistently been responsible through out my 20 years of life.

        I not only have never had any negatives with any authority figure (I never even received a Detention in grade school or high school) I am an active member of my community (I work at a soup kitchen) and in my church (I run a youth group for pre-teens). Not only that but, I have taken the role of a Resident Assistant at my university with responsibility for close to 75 young men.

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        I believe that if this is the only infraction I have, and I don’t lie about it, my track record will show the mature and responsible adult I have striven to become. During the interview process I know that I can convey that to anyone who talks to me not only through words but through my past, present, and future actions.

        Would you agree Retired Chief? Also would you automatically DQ me for this indiscretion? I have read these forums and understand that people get hired even though they have done narcotics but own up to the mistake and prove through actions that it does not happen again.

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        • #5
          Unless you are applying to an extremely small department somewhere this should not be an issue for you. Yes you should tell them if they ask, no it should not DQ you. Anyone in the department with common sense knows you do things when you are young that arent always the best chioce (I am sure you are not the first nor the last applicant they have had to violate this law). Drugs are a different story and with good reason.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Retired Chief View Post
            because you committed a felony.
            I've heard people say that possessing/using/selling fake IDs is a felony and/or federal crime, but never seen any evidence of this being true or enforced. It's been a misdemenor where I've worked. Can someone elaborate?

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            • #7
              I told my BI about my fake ID when I was 18-20, he said "how else you gonna drink in college" It was no biggie. you'll be fine.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by dwelch1503 View Post
                I know this might have been answered but I am looking for some clarity.

                What would be a department's policy if an applicant owned a fake ID in their first year of college, never got caught with it and used it only twice to get into bars with older friends, and destroyed it after a few months?
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                Would it be wise to disclose this information? I understand it is a felony, and for good reason, but I have been curious about this.
                Around here I think people would've laughed and said good job.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by dwelch1503 View Post
                  I know this might have been answered but I am looking for some clarity.

                  What would be a department's policy if an applicant owned a fake ID in their first year of college, never got caught with it and used it only twice to get into bars with older friends, and destroyed it after a few months?

                  Would it be wise to disclose this information? I understand it is a felony, and for good reason, but I have been curious about this.
                  Why in the world would you tell them something that they can never find out about or ever prove existed? Keep your mouth shut and don't talk about it.

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                  • #10
                    Unless that agency has a poly system in place... I agree completely with DH21187.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by NYCTNT View Post
                      Unless that agency has a poly system in place... I agree completely with DH21187.
                      Even if they do, they have to touch on the issue and have a question ready for it that can be tested for a readable answer. Don't tell them about it period.

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                      • #12
                        Thank you everyone for your responses. I really am grateful.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by DH21187 View Post
                          Why in the world would you tell them something that they can never find out about or ever prove existed? Keep your mouth shut and don't talk about it.
                          Because if for some strange reason they DO find out, so much for ever getting a job once you've lied on an application.

                          If they poly, that could cause a spike, and the guy might cave under pressure and give it up. better to disclose something like that up front, it probably wont DQ you.
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                          • Originally posted by DH21187 View Post
                            Why in the world would you tell them something that they can never find out about or ever prove existed? Keep your mouth shut and don't talk about it.
                            What if the BI goes to chat with some of his buddies that he listed as references and they say something off-handed that he drank with them underage....and things go from there...???

                            Now, not only does he get caught up in a lie and gets no job.....he will probably be blackballed from the area for a while for lying on his background.....

                            Just something to think about.....

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                              I agree about saying something up front and being honest. If there is a question on the background investigation then I will answer truthfully. I don't plan on being dishonest.
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                              I just wanted to know if something like that is an auto DQ. It sounds like its not (for most departments). I don't have it anymore and I don't even drink (anymore). I feel like if this is the worst thing I have done then I should be alright.

                              As I said before I have never done drugs never stolen past the age of 8 (even that was stickers and my dad made me walk to the store with him to give them back and say I was sorry). My grades and activities are of a committed and hardworking young man.

                              Thank you everyone for your feed back. I believe that I should be upfront if asked about it doesnt everyone else think that is the best course of action?
                              Last edited by dw1503; 02-19-2008, 06:15 PM.
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